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- Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #227
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-
-
- Info-Hams Digest Wed, 2 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 227
-
- Today's Topics:
- 5 by 5...
- A transmission line loss question
- BY hams imprisoned by PRC
- Copying High-Speed CW: Print or Script?
- CQ - magazine.
- Hamblaster Update
- IMPORTANT - June VHF QSO Party
- JARGON
- Jerk on 20 mtrs
- NACEC - DISASTER VOLUNTEER Info.
- Radio 20m Travel Radio
- Suggestions for HF mobile?
- Super Morse 4.10 is out!
-
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-
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- (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams".
-
- We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text
- herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official
- policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there.
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:48:54 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!debmoore@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: 5 by 5...
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Jeffrey D. Angus (jangus@skyld.grendel.com) wrote:
-
- : In article <gregg.68.000DC24B@plains.nodak.edu> gregg@plains.nodak.edu writes:
-
- : > Where did the phrase, "I read you five by five." come from and what does
- : > it mean. I know it means good copy, but what specifically does it mean?
- : > Does it come from the early days of radar, of ham radio, of military
- : > aviation or what?
-
- : It comes from the RST signal reporting system. (I'll let others flame
- : each other as to its orginations.) The scales being R for readibility
- : S for signal strength and T for tone. (We're speaking morse wireless
- : here.) R is from 1 (not readable) to 5 (perfectably readable). S is
- : from 1 (I can't hear it) to 9 (It's really loud) and T for for tone
- : with 1 (rough AC buzz) to 9 (pure note).
-
- : Of course, with the advent of phone (am and ssb) operation they dropped
- : the tone report. And as most DXers will tell you, "You're 59 LA" doesn't
- : have any bearing on received signal, but instead means, "I want a QSL
- : card."
-
-
-
- As a radio operator in the USMC in the early sixties, we used a scale of
- 1 - 5 for Signal Strength, hence 5x5. The military 2 1/2 ton truck was
- known as a 6x6, so the "saltier" operators would say "I hear you like
- a truck".
-
- 73's___Bob
- --
- =============================================================================
- Bob Shilling Berkeley, CA debmoore@netcom.com
- KK6QQ rcshilling@lbl.gov
- DoD# 1195
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:52:23 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplextra!hpcss01!markb@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: A transmission line loss question
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- Cut the cable to the shortest length. That will reduce the loss the most.
- There is no reason to have the transmission line any particular length.
- THis is an old wives tale.
- Read the ARRL book Refelections if you are curious, or learn how
- to use a SMITH chart.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 03:01:54 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!becker@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: BY hams imprisoned by PRC
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I found this on the DX reflector, and post it here.
- >
- > MORE ON THE VOA STORY ABOUT "BY" OPS. Fred, K3ZO, who has just recently
- > returned from Thailand where he operated as HS0ZAR, had doubts about the
- > Voice of America (VOA) report that all BY hams have been rounded up and
- > sent to labor camps. Fred stated he heard and worked plenty of BAs, BYs
- > and BZs while in Thailand, so he decided to investigated the Voice of
- > America broadcast and found the following information:
- >
- > Here is the exact VOA text, which was based on a news item that was on
- > the REUTERS news wire on February 16th: "Police in China have cracked
- > down on the country's largest group of amateur radio operators, and
- > have sent three of the group's leaders to labor camps.
- >
- > The "Official China Business Times Today" (Wed. Fed. 16th) Identified
- > the group as "Radio-Air-Salon", based in Henan Province (BY6). It said
- > police have caught 61 members of the group -- which had effectively
- > taken over some 27 radio channels.
- >
- > The report said Radio-Air-Salon members often interrupted regular
- > broadcasts with their own conversations and illegally listened in on
- > restricted frequencies. It said the use of technical equipment to
- > create chaos in the airwaves is a new type of illegal activity.......
- >
- > Fred comments he has tried to work as many different Chinese stations
- > as possible while he was in Thailand, but he never heard BY6. The ARRL
- > reports that their information shows only one licensed amateur radio
- > station in PRC, club station BY6SRA, licensed to the Shanxi Branch of
- > the China Radio Sports Association (CRSA). CRSA is the IARU member
- > society for China. Fred points out that the VOA broadcast only mentions
- > that three members of one club were sent to "re-education camps", this
- > is a far cry from "ALL BY's". This is a prime example of how RUMORS can
- > spread like wildfires and blow things out of proportion Also, the press
- > has often referred to all manners of radio hobbyists as "AMATEUR RADIO
- > OPERATORS." The group of hobbyists mentioned in the broadcast may be
- > engaging in SWL and CB type activities rather than actual amateur
- > operations. Fred states such activities are widespread in Asia and has
- > experienced pirate "CB" operations on the 40 meter band while operating
- > from HS-land. So in summary, amateur radio is alive and well in PRC.
- > Reports of activity this week by BY1QH on both 40 and 80 meters is
- > proof. Also, Martti, OH2BH, was in Beijing recently and visited the
- > operators and station of BY1PK. Martti stated things were just fine
- > and no one is rounded up in the labor camps. As matter of fact, foreign
- > operators may be licensed in PRC soon. (TNX to K3ZO, N8II and OH2BH)
- > ----------------------------
- > Tedd Mirgliotta KB8NW
- > InterNet: kb8nw@barf80.nshore.org
- > Basic Amateur Radio Frequency BBS (BARF-80) +1 216/237-8208
- > "Totally devoted to Amateur Radio" - 24 Hrs a day 8/N/1 14.4k-300 baud
- >
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 18:01:43 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!ra!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Copying High-Speed CW: Print or Script?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <CLwrFv.M1o@odin.corp.sgi.com> adams@chuck.dallas.sgi.com
- (Charles Adams) writes:
- >
- > 1. Many complain about their penmanship. Looks like to me you can kill
- > two birds with one stone. Get a book on penmanship (they still
- > write those don't they?). Find the best style to copy and work on
- > penmanship at the same time.
- >
- > 2. Start with cursive, don't DON'T print.
- >
- > 3. Practice not dotting i's and j's and don't cross the t's.
- > This will come in handy later at higher speeds.
- >
- > [the rest deleted]
-
- Good advice. I started to use cursive at about 10 wpm because I knew
- that as I approached higher speeds, printing would become a `bottleneck.'
-
- I have very neat penmanship (I spent a few years in Catholic school),
- but it really goes to hell at my current limit of 20 wpm+. This kind of
- bothers me, as I have always taken pride in my penmanship.
-
- But here's a curious thing... now *cursive* is becoming a bottleneck,
- and the main reason is the lower case letter `m.' I can't write it fast
- enough. (Three humps in a row!) I can follow along at 20 wpm fairly
- well, but when I hit the letter `m,' I often stumble and miss the rest of
- the word. What to do? Suggestions.
-
- And another question about Morse code... Has anyone taken any of the
- Morse code tests for a FCC radiotelegraph license? If so, what method of
- copying do the examiners allow? Is it strictly by hand (pencil and
- paper), or can you use a keyboard? For the second class license you must
- be able to copy plain English at 25 wpm, which is kind of fast for pencil
- and paper. (Well, too fast for me at least.)
-
- -Dave
- --
- David Drumheller, KA3QBQ phone: (202) 767-3524
- Acoustics Division, Code 7140 fax: (202) 404-7732
- Naval Research Laboratory
- Washington, DC 20375-5350 e-mail: drumhell@claudette.nrl.navy.mil
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 01 Mar 1994 23:07:54 EST
- From: murky.apple.com!mumbo.apple.com!Joe_Behar%magic-bbs.corp.apple.com@decwrl.dec.com
- Subject: CQ - magazine.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- The addres is
- CQ Communications, Inc.
- 76 North Broadway
- Hicksville, NY 11801-2953 USA
-
- Joe
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 14:38:29 GMT
- From: amiserv!vpnet!tellab5!jwa@uunet.uu.net
- Subject: Hamblaster Update
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- 2-15-94
-
- I hope that this will clear up a few questions about
- the Hamblaster.
-
- Disclaimer
-
- This IS NOT an ad. The Hamblaster is not a product
- that's being sold to amateurs or any other group.
- It's a 3 year effort by myself and Will Torgrim N9PEA.
- We have been doing this as a hobby, hopefully, to
- improve Amateur radio.
-
- Finely, the development cost thousands of dollars
- and we haven't earned a single penny for our efforts.
-
- We have considered the possibility of making the PC boards
- available and a "hard to get parts kit" but there is a
- support issue that needs to be resolved.
-
- The Hamblaster is not a software package. It requires a
- special sound card that uses a Texas Instruments TMS320C25
- DSP to run filters or audio demodulators. It can interface
- to a TNC via a TTL digital port and replace the TNC's poor
- filtering.
-
- It's not compatible with other sound cards but it can
- co-exist with them. I use my Soundblaster Pro and Hamblaster
- together. I can, for example, run a filter on the the Hamblaster,
- connect it's output the Soundblaster and record a CW signal using
- the SB software under the Windows environment.
-
- New Developements
-
- 1) Adaptive (LMS) filter
-
- We now have an operational adaptive filter. It converges
- on and filters out continuous tones. Last night I was
- copying SB on 40 meters and I transmitted an interfering
- signal using a Kenwood TS440 and a dummy load. The
- heterodyne was so strong that it was almost impossible to
- copy the QSO. I connected the receiver's headphone output
- to the Hamblaster and loaded the LMS filter. I then turned
- off the computer.
-
- The heterodyne was completely removed ad I was able copy
- voice clearly with no interference. The was some background
- but it wasn't objectionable.
-
- There will be some controls added to the LMS filter that will
- allow you to adjust the delay, filter taps and noise floor. I'll
- keep you posted!
-
-
- ---
- Jack Albert WA9FVP Fellow Radio Hacker
- Tele (708) 378-6201
- Tellabs Operations, Inc. FAX (708) 378-6721
- 1000 Remington Blvd. jwa@tellabs.com
- Bolingbrook, IL 60440
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 2 Mar 94 15:26:30 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
- Subject: IMPORTANT - June VHF QSO Party
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- WARNING: The date for the annual ARRL June VHF QSO party is changed for 1994!
-
- Yes, that is correct. For what seems like forever, the ARRL June VHF QSO
- Party has been on the second weekend of June each year. This year, the ARRL
- has scheduled it for the *first* weekend in June. Yes, the ARRL moved the
- single largest annual VHF/UHF operating event in the world from its traditional
- date. Had you already planned for the second weekend? Am I the first one to
- bring this date change to your attention? Are you saying "Oh no!" as you
- realize that you'd blocked out the second weekend of June as usual, and cannot
- or might not be able to rearrange things for the first weekend of June this
- year? What happened? What can you do?
-
- First, here is what happened. The ARRL scheduled their National Convention in
- Arlington, Texas, for the VHF contest's traditional second weekend in June.
- It took me a while to discover when the ARRL did this: it was the January 1992
- annual meeting of the Board of Directors, reported in March 1992 QST. (My eyes
- are still recovering from poring over the tiny type used for printing ARRL
- meeting minutes.) I never saw a mention of the date change anywhere else in
- QST until I decided to look through the 1994 ARRL calendar from January 1994
- QST.
-
- What can you do about it? I wrote to Dave Sumner K1ZZ, Executive Vice President
- of the ARRL. I told him just what the date change means to the club I'm in, the
- Wellesley (Mass.) Amateur Radio Society. We've already lost three key members
- of our team, including the organizer of the event (me), due to schedule
- conflicts with the first weekend in June. All three had set aside the second
- weekend in June as usual. A date one just one week earlier makes for a very
- real risk of snow on New England mountaintops, which might put us at risk for
- getting access to the privately-owned mountaintop in FN33 that we've used for
- years. I don't think the Wellesley club is alone in being seriously affected by
- this date change, and I told Mr. Sumner this. I explained my astonishment that
- the ARRL would allow the June VHF QSO Party, a very significant operating event,
- to be moved from its traditional date. I shared my puzzlement at why the ARRL
- would move the biggest VHF contest in a time they are actively encouraging more
- and more VHF/UHF activity. I wondered aloud if the ARRL would ever have moved
- Field Day! Finally, I asked Mr. Sumner to MOVE THE 1994 CONTEST BACK TO THE
- SECOND WEEKEND IN JUNE!
-
- If you have problems with the date change for the June VHF QSO Party, if you
- think that the dates of major ham radio events shouldn't be tampered with, or
- if you just plain don't like this, then now is the time to take action. Fire
- up your computer, your pen and paper, or your typewriter, and write a short
- note on the back of your QSL card or a long letter explaining what you think
- and ask for the 1994 date to be put back to the second weekend in June. Mail
- it to Dave Sumner at ARRL at 225 Main Street, Newington, CT 06111-1494, or fax
- it to ARRL at 203 665-7531. Send a copy of your note to your division director
- and your section manager and ask for their support. We CAN make a difference!
- The ARRL Board of Directors has the power to undo what they've done. We have
- to show them that it's important to do just that!
-
- 73,
- Scott WO1G
- ==============
- Scott Sminkey email: sasminkey@eng.xyplex.com
- Software Sustaining Engineering voice: 508 952-4792
- Xyplex, Inc. fax: 508 952-4887
- 295 Foster St. (Opinions, comments, etc. are mine,
- Littleton, MA 01460 not Xyplex's...)
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 01 Mar 1994 14:56:34 -0500
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!sy_j.pgh.wec.com!user@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: JARGON
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <199402282109.NAA17392@ucsd.edu>,
- William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM wrote:
-
- > >use...it's XYL and it stands for ex young lady....(which I take great
- > >offense to as a deragatory remark (I am not an "XYL" because I am only 22
- > >years old! :-) ) The term is used to refer to one's wife...(because most
- >
-
- is there a list of jargon and their meanings used by hams on 2m/440,
- terms like
-
- destinated
- very good
- fine business
-
-
- 73s
- Jerry N3RKD
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Mar 1994 17:07:58 GMT
- From: swrinde!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!olivea!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!cronkite.@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Jerk on 20 mtrs
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- -----------------
- Greg Chartrand _/_/ _/_/ _/_/ _/_/
- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
- _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/
- _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/
- _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Mar 94 07:26:19
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!csn!news.usafa.af.mil!usafa2!jcmiller@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: NACEC - DISASTER VOLUNTEER Info.
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <1994Feb28.120042.22852@walter.cray.com> rps@cray.com (Russell P. Starksen) writes:
-
- ===================== cut here =======================
- INTERNET.TST
- FEBRUARY 14, 1994
- ATTN: DISASTER VOLUNTEERS & MILITARY FAMILIES!!!
-
- Our group is looking for volunteers to help expand our project
- nationwide! I have heard many things about Internet and have
- posted this message to see if there is anyone on the system that
- wants to help.. Please take a few minutes and read this bulletin.
- If you would like more information or wish to help, get in touch
- with me. I hope you find these 3 pages of information of interest.
-
- Mr. Edward E. Addy
- President, NACEC
-
- W H A T I S N A C E C ?
-
- NACEC is an acronym for "The North American Center for Emergency
- Communications". NACEC is not a radio club. It is a hybrid non-
- profit humanitarian organization. It was started under the name
- "Global Voices Project" on July 9th of 1992 and incorporated in
- Minnesota on January 8th 1993 for the purpose of improving the
- efficiency of other non-profit humanitarian organizations during
- their disaster aid and relief operations, throughout North America.
- NACEC also provides health and welfare communications assistance
- between members of the U.S. Armed Forces serving overseas and their
- families here at home.
-
- The projects name was changed to The North American Center for
- Emergency Communications, (NACEC) by unanimous vote of The Board of
- Directors in August of 1993 to more closely reflect the projects
- mission and purpose.
-
- W H Y W A S N A C E C F O R M E D ?
- NACEC's mission is to provide communications support to aid
- disaster victims and Military Families. NACEC was formed for one
- basic purpose "To reduce deaths and the amount of human suffering,
- through the development and implementation of an organization which
- can rapidly provide emergency communications.
-
-
- (much deleted)
-
-
- This is very interesting. Sounds like a mirror image of MARS, ARES, RACES,
- and NTS rolled into one. I wonder what functions those organizations fail
- to fulfill that this new organization seeks to do.
-
- I also find it curious that Mr. Addy makes no mention of a callsign.
-
- 73 from sunny (truly!) Colorado Springs,
-
- Jeff
-
-
- --
- Jeff Miller, NH6ZW/N0, AFA1HE/5 (for now) (ex WD6CQV, AFA8JM, AFA1DO)
- USAFAnet Manager and General Troubleshooter [jcmiller@gems.usafa.af.mil] or
- HQ USAF/DFYC, USAF Academy, CO 80840 [millerjc%dfyc@dfmail.usafa.af.mil]
- 55: It's not a good idea, it's just the law. E-mail for NMA info.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Mar 94 17:59:21 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!news.tek.com!gvgpsa.gvg.tek.com!gold.gvg.tek.com!gvgadg.gvg.tek.com!groverc@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Radio 20m Travel Radio
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- I came across the advertisment for the RadioKit 20 meter "Travel Radio"
- and would like to hear fromanyone who had the experience of either
- building or operating same.
-
- Grover
- WT6P
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: 1 Mar 1994 15:11:38 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!casbah.acns.nwu.edu!rdewan@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Suggestions for HF mobile?
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- In article <762473724snz@g8sjp.demon.co.uk>,
- Iain Philipps <ip@g8sjp.demon.co.uk> wrote:
- >Folks,
- >
- >While I have now been fiddling around with radios of one sort or
- >another for over 20 years, I have yet to try working mobile (and
- >this means actually 'on the move') from a car. I have a rig which
- >I can use - and IC 726, and reckon that 100W should be fun.
- >
- >What I'm looking for are suggestions as to which bands would be
- >more appropriate to maintain reliable communication between my
- >car and a fixed station at between 200 and 1000 miles range during
- >this coming summer (in Europe).
-
- I use a Kenwood TS50 in the car while driving. I highly recommend
- the 30m band. At least here in US, the band is open all day and
- it is easy to strike up a qso without too much trouble. For a while
- I owned a whip with an auto tuner that could tune the whip to
- any segment of 10m-80m bands. I found that I spent most of my time
- on the 30m band. So I sold that antenna setup and decided on tuner-less
- operation.
-
- >I notice that the local store has a nice selection of single-band
- >centre (oops center) loaded whip antennae, and I wouldn't mind
- >buying one or two of those, if appropriate. I'm planning to mount
- >whatever antenna on directly on the (fairly large and elevated)
- >roof of my car.
- >
- >Ideas?
-
- I do not know of the kind available in UK, but Hustler is a popular
- band in US. Some one had reported results of a field strength study
- of mobile antennas and they found that a brand called `Texas Bug Catcher'
- by GLA Systems out performed others by quite a margin. I am currently
- using a loaned copy of the bugcatcher by another company. I am quite
- pleased with it.
-
- BTW, the version I have now is a small one and so it only goes down to
- 20m. :( Look for me on 20m at about 1430z and 2330Z.
-
- Rajiv dit l dit
- aa9ch l
- r-dewan@nwu.edu ******************** =
- * rajiv aa9ch/m * =
- * r-dewan @nwu.edu * l
- * iambic cmos super2 * l
- ********* kwd ts50 tx bugcatcher * l
- * *l
- * *** *** *H
- * * * * * *H
- base* *kenwd850*vert*80mloop* *kent**
- *** ***
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 18:22:00 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!wy1z@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: Super Morse 4.10 is out!
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- You can grab a copy via anonymous FTP on World:
- ftp ftp.std.com:/pub/hamradio/pc/theory-and-morse
-
- Scott
-
-
- --
- ===============================================================================
- | Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@neu.edu BITNET: wy1z@NUHUB |
- | Amateur Radio: wy1z AX.25: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na |
- |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|
- | Maintainer of the Boston Amateur Radio Club hamradio FTP area on |
- | the World - ftp.std.com pub/hamradio |
- ===============================================================================
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 04:37:48 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!wa4mei.ping.com!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu
- To: info-hams@ucsd.edu
-
- References <2kjnai$1if8@st6000.sct.edu>, <1994Feb28.172658.10610@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com>, <2kvt4j$37b@bigfoot.wustl.edu>
- Reply-To : gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us (Gary Coffman)
- Subject : Re: Getting Coax Seal OFF?
-
- In article <2kvt4j$37b@bigfoot.wustl.edu> jlw3@cec3.wustl.edu (Jesse L Wei) writes:
- >This *really* digresses from radio, but most solvents kill anything
- >(including people) pretty well--kills grass, animals, plants, people. . .
-
- Yeah, great stuff. Don't tell the tree-huggers, they'll try to get them
- banned. :-(
-
- Gary
- --
- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary
- Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary
- 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary
- Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | |
-
- ------------------------------
-
- End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #227
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